with the bushes, there was one particular ride, i think it was in panama city, but when the bush boys got in the back of the president's limo and they were talking, and every time -- you can't be alone with jeb bush for five minutes where he doesn't bring up the greatest man he's ever known. and then he starts talking about his dad. they would veer him away from the screen. they wou they revere him when nobody is looking, and what better judgment of a man that what his kids have to say about him when nobody is looking. >> that's absolutely true. in fact, the grandchildren do as well, and what's really interesting is barbara bush says that the family, because of the political life, the family was drawn closer together. >> well, there are two things, joe. you're exactly right. one is he was -- president bush was known as half-half when he was a kid because he would always -- if he had a dessert, he would say have half with whoever he was with. and he always said his greatest achievement is his kids still come home. >> yeah. that's a big one. >> your piece says family matters, and that's